What can we expect from Playground Festival?
Oshin: Playground is a hybrid festival from STUK, and Museum M in Leuven. They really want to show the crossover between visual arts, performing arts and everything in between. Our background is actually visual arts, but from the moment we started working together, almost 10 years ago, we started making performances, along with visual art like objects, prints, books and videos.
Melissa: At Playground, we've shown the first version of Blue Skies Forever in 2017, and now we will premiere Spare Time Work.
O: We really wanted to work in the theatre space for Blue Skies Forever. We always want to take the context into account, but to work in that context, we needed partners, and Playground was the first festival that wanted to host us in that sense. They were really interested in our whole practice. So it really meant a lot that we can work (and play) at STUK. They hold a special place with us.
M: We started questioning the parameters of what it means to perform in a visual art context. There are people that are coming to watch you or people that are passing by and watching you, which are very different. We wanted to play with the idea of somebody buying tickets to come and see you, and you prepare something to show them. You have to deal with the expectations the audience has, but also the power and the privilege you have to be on that stage and claim the space.
Tell me about your performance, Spare Time Work?
M: For the performance, we were interested in the fact that an audience enters a theatre in their spare time, and we are working as performers or creators. For us, as artists, this division between labour and free time is quite blurry. The idea of leisure was something that has been very present in our work since the beginning, but we didn't want to just make something about leisure, we wanted to connect it to labour and the many facets involved in this idea of spare time work.
For us, as artists, this division between labour and free time is quite blurry
O: But also, as an artist, your spare time really slips into work time, and the other way around, there is no division. Although we experience a lot of pleasure in being able to do the work that we do, getting somewhere that you want to go, even the end product of performance, takes a lot of hard work. These blurred lines between pleasure and hard labour are very vague and confusingly intertwined. We really tried to express the ambiguity of these different states.
M: And the audience sees both. The hard work that we put into it, but also the pleasure that we have while being and playing on stage.
The way our work is constructed is almost the way a dream functions. The way you act in a dream seems logical, a kind of digestion of many things that are happening in your life, things that you read, or saw online, or in movies, all get mixed, experiences, and sensibilities. The differences between right and wrong, good or bad, are way more mixed. I think the idea of a dream is a bit like the dramaturgy in our work.
Does this idea of a dream also contribute to a surrealist atmosphere in your work?
M: There is definitely a surreal aspect to our work, but I think it also comes out of curiosity, and an almost childlike interest in objects, certain mechanisms, …
O: We also construct these very mundane situations entirely anew in a somewhat surreal way.
M: We try to not take things for granted that are normally taken for granted, but then also sometimes act as if things are completely normal or logical to do.
What is the significance of the many costumes and props in the performance?
O: We like to collect things that spark the imagination. With the costumes and props, we constantly reshape ourselves, and we reinterpret objects in many different ways. We merge concepts with objects and costumes and our bodies. We really enjoy being able to constantly transform from one thing to another.
M: It’s not necessarily about different versions of ourselves or becoming a character, although we have names for them and they are characters in a way. Mostly they function as figures that we inhabit which help us to show the gradient of things in life. I think these costumes help us to understand certain things and hopefully help the audience as well.
We merge concepts with objects and costumes and our bodies
How do you inhabit these characters?
O: There is always a search to figure out who these characters are and what we want them to represent, because we create the figures, but at the same time we need to understand them. Becoming them is also trying to understand them, but we know that we can’t be them, so instead, we learn how to play with them.
M: With our work, it’s Oshin and Melissa playing, and then playing these characters. We set up a game which we play together, so we do have to get used to these characters and experience how they interact. They also transform quite fast, they shift one into the other.
You came up with this idea of Spare Time Work before COVID, has this caused development in your ideas?
M: I think that now everyone has experienced something similar over the last few years, having to work and play in one place, or not having any spare time because they were working at home, there has been this complete blurriness. We became very aware that when people see the performance, this might be part of their association.
O: Also our personal experiences and histories are very prominent in the piece. What does it mean for our work-life balance if our life is our work? Also as a woman, how do you plan your life? If we are not mothers to little humans, is this work our ‘baby,’ can we call ourselves mothers of our work?
M: We ask, ‘If this work is our baby, what kind of mothers are we?’(laughs)
We also spent so much time together, for such a long time, and then during the lockdown, we didn't see people as much. I think in Spare Time Work, our relationship, and this artistry that we share is part of the work.
O: Also, if you think about work ethics, and ambition, there are many different ways of dealing with it, which is very present in the work now. I am very happy that this is there. We were looking into the history of work and spare time and the rights to work and the right to spare time. I feel that we could take a walk with this history in the lived present.
M: For us it's important to show a critical reflection through playful imagination.